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Hurricanelee99 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,866 Points:637,630 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Sep 9, 2006 11:25:02 PM Ignore Hurricanelee99 Report Abuse Now that the 26th race is complete, who will win the Nextel Championship?

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Now that the 26th race is complete, who will win the Nextel Championship?

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mckenzi01 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:35,741 Points:2,733,955 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Nov 26, 2007 5:16:08 AM Ignore mckenzi01 Report Abuse I wonder who will figure it out first. Nascar Entertainment? Or the sponsors? The sponsors are putting a lot of money into a withering operation. My guess is they will casue some change, as they threaten to cancel their deals.
Oredigger94 Champion Author Dayton Posts:9,183 Points:1,747,000 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Nov 25, 2007 3:48:10 PM Ignore Oredigger94 Report Abuse Meantime, fans are voting with their (lack of) support: attendance is down, viewership is down. People just don't care about contrived.
mckenzi01 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:35,741 Points:2,733,955 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Nov 25, 2007 6:24:54 AM Ignore mckenzi01 Report Abuse Here, here! (or is it Hear, Hear?)
Hurricanelee99 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,866 Points:637,630 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2007 5:52:51 PM Ignore Hurricanelee99 Report Abuse Here is what gets me as well, Nascars answer to everything thing is to rip up the track and resurface it. I am glad they redid Las Vegas, but Bristol, Talladega, and Loudon, there was no reason to even touch the tracks. Bristol, what did it take 181 laps for the first debris caution. In past races you were lucky if the race went 10 laps before a wreck. Loudon is probably the worst track on the circuit: 1. There is no passing on the track. 2. There are no cautions unless Nascar throws one of there "phantom cautions". Was the fall Talladega race a preview of what the Daytona races are going to be like for now on? No big one and cars not being able to bump draft any more. If they bump draft they are going to screw up those stupid new noses and take themselves out of the race. I wish Nascar would have just left the tracks alone, left the cars alone, and left the points alone,
mckenzi01 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:35,741 Points:2,733,955 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Nov 22, 2007 5:58:55 AM Ignore mckenzi01 Report Abuse Nascar Entertainment says the format is great. No changes. The only change will be that even fewer people buy tickets, and even fewer people will tune in their televisions. Go NE!
Oredigger94 Champion Author Dayton Posts:9,183 Points:1,747,000 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Nov 22, 2007 12:21:20 AM Ignore Oredigger94 Report Abuse The Chase is a clear example of "There's a quick and easy solution to every problem. And it's usually wrong."
Hurricanelee99 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,866 Points:637,630 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Nov 20, 2007 9:00:16 PM Ignore Hurricanelee99 Report Abuse Whats going to happen next year when Dale Jr. joins Hendrick?
SE3.5 Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:17,029 Points:3,167,465 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Nov 20, 2007 8:14:03 AM Ignore SE3.5 Report Abuse Hendricks finishes season with 3 of top five. Could any team ever be more dominant?
nascar7 Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:5,246 Points:199,730 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2007 8:29:50 PM Ignore nascar7 Report Abuse igo for the old system also
Hurricanelee99 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,866 Points:637,630 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2007 8:07:30 PM Ignore Hurricanelee99 Report Abuse 20Smoke, as well certain tracks and the car of tomorrow.
Tommy4Wheel Champion Author Wilmington Posts:32,925 Points:3,107,520 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2007 8:02:55 AM Ignore Tommy4Wheel Report Abuse With dwindling ratings, poor judgement, fan base and perpetual controversy, Brian France paints the picture that everything is rosy in NASCAR..Wake Up Brian..You are in Denial and your Grandfather is rolling over in his grave!
14smoke Champion Author Birmingham Posts:13,209 Points:1,925,140 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2007 7:08:40 AM Ignore 14smoke Report Abuse Congrats to Jimmie Johnson and the #48 team for winning the championship by the rules. Still think the whole "chase" deal is crap and needs to be scrapped, but, that's just me. Or is it?
mckenzi01 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:35,741 Points:2,733,955 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2007 6:44:31 AM Ignore mckenzi01 Report Abuse Jeff Gordon - Gone. Stupid format!
NatJac Champion Author London Posts:7,357 Points:1,589,065 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2007 2:23:35 PM Ignore NatJac Report Abuse Go Jeff Gordon Go !!!
mckenzi01 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:35,741 Points:2,733,955 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2007 5:17:41 AM Ignore mckenzi01 Report Abuse Sorry - NASCAR is dead and buried. Nascar Entertainment is its own problem.
Tommy4Wheel Champion Author Wilmington Posts:32,925 Points:3,107,520 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Nov 17, 2007 9:21:48 AM Ignore Tommy4Wheel Report Abuse Does anyone find it amusing that we all see the problems with NASCAR but NASCAR doesn't. When your eyes are clouded with dollar signs it is hard to see.
mckenzi01 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:35,741 Points:2,733,955 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Nov 17, 2007 5:49:57 AM Ignore mckenzi01 Report Abuse Or, when a car is lapped, he's done - parked - no points. At the finish, last runner gets one point, second to last gets two, and so on. No bonus, garbage points at all.
Tommy4Wheel Champion Author Wilmington Posts:32,925 Points:3,107,520 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Nov 16, 2007 1:04:40 PM Ignore Tommy4Wheel Report Abuse Great Ideas there Captain!
CAPTAIN_JAMES Champion Author Atlanta Posts:6,657 Points:913,195 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Nov 16, 2007 12:56:27 PM Ignore CAPTAIN_JAMES Report Abuse 50 points for the race winner and 50 points for the pole winner. 25 or 50 points for leading the MOST laps, no points for just leading "A" lap.
Oredigger94 Champion Author Dayton Posts:9,183 Points:1,747,000 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Nov 16, 2007 7:51:43 AM Ignore Oredigger94 Report Abuse They could also award points to only the top 10 or 15 or 20 drivers only (the number is arbitrary - NASCAR has demonstrated its comfort with arbitrary by this point). That would keep those wrecked cars from coming back on the track and being in the way.
mckenzi01 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:35,741 Points:2,733,955 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Nov 16, 2007 5:40:27 AM Ignore mckenzi01 Report Abuse On the other hand, they could eliminate all the "bonus" points, and assign points on finishing order only.
duffer36 Champion Author Toledo Posts:8,537 Points:1,393,030 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2007 5:05:34 PM Ignore duffer36 Report Abuse I hate that they took away the bonus points for winning the pole as well. I suggest they go back to the old system, including pole points, but only if the pole is actually won by full field qualifying, and institute a 25 point bonus for the winner of the race. Keep the other points the same.
Tommy4Wheel Champion Author Wilmington Posts:32,925 Points:3,107,520 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2007 8:37:32 AM Ignore Tommy4Wheel Report Abuse Bring back the 'ol Way..Agreed!
14smoke Champion Author Birmingham Posts:13,209 Points:1,925,140 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2007 6:30:01 AM Ignore 14smoke Report Abuse From Jayski.com... Unofficial "Classic" Driver Points Standings after Phoenix [35 of 36 races]: (Traditional Points...the old way, not the Chase) 1) #24-Jeff Gordon 5295 2) #48-Jimmie Johnson 4951, -344 3) #20-Tony Stewart 4676, -619 4) #17-Matt Kenseth 4523, -772 5) #07-Clint Bowyer 4510, -785 6) #5-Kyle Busch 4477, -818 7) #11-Denny Hamlin 4453, -842 8) #99-Carl Edwards 4419, -876 9) #31-Jeff Burton 4407, -888 10) #29-Kevin Harvick 4238, -1057 11) #2-Kurt Busch 4196, -1099 12) #1-Martin Truex Jr. 4159, -1136 13) #12-Ryan Newman 3932, -1363 14) #8-Dale Earnhardt Jr. 3874, -1421 15) #16-Greg Biffle 3867, -1428 16) #25-Casey Mears 3829, -1466...pretty big difference from the way the contrived Chase has it, isn't it. Never have liked the Chase, and I also wish they'd scrap it.
mckenzi01 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:35,741 Points:2,733,955 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2007 5:02:10 AM Ignore mckenzi01 Report Abuse There are ways, other than a contrived chamionship run, to make a season exciting. On the other han, who really cares if there's a runaway every nnow and then. I think it's still good for the sport.
Oredigger94 Champion Author Dayton Posts:9,183 Points:1,747,000 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Nov 13, 2007 9:01:20 PM Ignore Oredigger94 Report Abuse Psst. According to my calculations, Gordon would be heading to Homestead with a 344 point lead under the old system. Wins: Gordon - 6; Johnson - 10 Average Finish: Gordon - 7.4; Johnson - 10.9 DNF's: Gordon - 1; Johnson - 4 Top Ten's: Gordon - 29; Johnson - 23
duffer36 Champion Author Toledo Posts:8,537 Points:1,393,030 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Nov 13, 2007 8:40:42 PM Ignore duffer36 Report Abuse Shhhh, don't say it too loud Tommy, or they will. Then you'll be out another chance to see a race live. You can make a good argument for either Gordon or Johnson deserving the Cup this year and most people would agree with you, but it just does not seem fair to me that Johnson can be leading by as much as he is when he was over 500 points behind the week before the Chase started. Sure, the idea is to win races, and bonus points should be awarded for winning races, but to completely factor out the first 26 weeks is mind-boggling. How can it be right for the 12th place qualifier to be almost 1000 points behind, and suddenly be no more than 60 points behind just because we are now down to the last ten races? Do away with this contrived "playoff" system and do it right, the system under which all the former greats raced and won their titles. Continuity needs to be maintained, otherwise how can we accurately compare today's drivers with yesteryear's drivers?
LonghornBubba Champion Author Houston Posts:13,409 Points:2,648,280 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Nov 13, 2007 12:18:30 PM Ignore LonghornBubba Report Abuse boring
Tommy4Wheel Champion Author Wilmington Posts:32,925 Points:3,107,520 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Nov 13, 2007 9:14:32 AM Ignore Tommy4Wheel Report Abuse I wonder what NASCAR would think if Clint Boyer would be leading the Championship..It would be the END..A 12th place finisher winning the Championship..Come On..Wake UP!!..Stop trying to reinvent the Wheel..Go back to the old Format and quit worrying about what markets are out there to make more money. Quit closing old tracks for money making new markets..Hell, The Chinese likes NASCAR..Why not build a track over there??
stevieyz19 Champion Author Michigan Posts:14,502 Points:2,748,110 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Nov 13, 2007 8:38:03 AM Ignore stevieyz19 Report Abuse I've thought from the day that it was announced that it was a joke. Nothing has changed that.
IM2Fast4U2 Veteran Author Missouri Posts:291 Points:385,610 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Nov 13, 2007 5:50:22 AM Ignore IM2Fast4U2 Report Abuse What a joke.........go back to the old format......
Hurricanelee99 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,866 Points:637,630 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Nov 12, 2007 9:04:06 PM Ignore Hurricanelee99 Report Abuse I agree with you Tommy4Wheel, Gordon led the points for virtually the entire year, so how on earth can Johnson start in a tie with Gordon, when Johnson is so far out of reach. It's ridiculous! [Edited by: Hurricanelee99 at 11/12/2007 9:06:16 PM EST]
Tommy4Wheel Champion Author Wilmington Posts:32,925 Points:3,107,520 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Nov 12, 2007 2:58:22 PM Ignore Tommy4Wheel Report Abuse Something has to give on the 26 race format before the "Farce" (Known as the Chase". To receive nothing but bonus points for winning a race is hilarious. It is bad enough that NASCAR makes up the rules as they go along but to watch Jimmie Johnson at this point while he was behind 523 points at the 26 race mark cracks me up. I like Johnson..I like Gordon..I like Stewart..I like Earnhardt..Buttt..Right is Right and Wrong is Wrong..NASCAR..YOU STINK and so does YOUR RULES!!
stevieyz19 Champion Author Michigan Posts:14,502 Points:2,748,110 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Nov 12, 2007 8:39:42 AM Ignore stevieyz19 Report Abuse I never have been a big fan of Johnson's and I really don't know why. But I have to give him credit. He's really putting it to them.
mckenzi01 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:35,741 Points:2,733,955 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Nov 12, 2007 7:27:08 AM Ignore mckenzi01 Report Abuse And it's over!
14smoke Champion Author Birmingham Posts:13,209 Points:1,925,140 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Nov 12, 2007 6:40:05 AM Ignore 14smoke Report Abuse It's all done but the awarding of the trophy. Jeff needs to win and have Jimmie finish 19th or lower(20th if he leads a lap, 22nd if he wins). This weekend's race is little more than a 400 mile long coronation for Johnson, unless something goes drastically wrong wit his car.
SE3.5 Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:17,029 Points:3,167,465 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Nov 10, 2007 8:52:47 AM Ignore SE3.5 Report Abuse The only way Hendricks is going to lose this is if the 24 & 48 take each other out two weeks in a row.
mckenzi01 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:35,741 Points:2,733,955 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Nov 8, 2007 5:44:01 AM Ignore mckenzi01 Report Abuse A runaway by one or a runaway by two (teammates). Is there really any difference - other than the fact that the deserved champ probably won't be.
Hurricanelee99 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,866 Points:637,630 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Nov 7, 2007 5:31:44 PM Ignore Hurricanelee99 Report Abuse I agree, the Chase is a joke. There has been 2 drivers left now that will win it, for how long... 6 weeks or so.
Oredigger94 Champion Author Dayton Posts:9,183 Points:1,747,000 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Nov 7, 2007 6:54:57 AM Ignore Oredigger94 Report Abuse If it weren't for the Chase, it would have been runaway in September.
mckenzi01 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:35,741 Points:2,733,955 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Nov 7, 2007 6:46:24 AM Ignore mckenzi01 Report Abuse Chase? What chase? What a bad joke on us all.
Oredigger94 Champion Author Dayton Posts:9,183 Points:1,747,000 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Nov 6, 2007 9:29:02 PM Ignore Oredigger94 Report Abuse You're right mckenzi. I hate the Chase format. I'm not a Gordon fan, but he'd be well on his way championship number six now.
mckenzi01 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:35,741 Points:2,733,955 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Nov 1, 2007 6:44:16 AM Ignore mckenzi01 Report Abuse It's still a stupid concept. And this year pretty much proves it.
14smoke Champion Author Birmingham Posts:13,209 Points:1,925,140 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2007 6:20:37 AM Ignore 14smoke Report Abuse Haven't cared for the Chase since it's inception. There is no way to fix it, it just needs to go away.
duffer36 Champion Author Toledo Posts:8,537 Points:1,393,030 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2007 12:18:53 AM Ignore duffer36 Report Abuse Any thoughts about how to improve it? I am not a fan of the chase myself. I liked tho old way better. This new concept just feels gimmicky to me.
mckenzi01 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:35,741 Points:2,733,955 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Oct 26, 2007 5:44:47 AM Ignore mckenzi01 Report Abuse The new format just doesn't do the trick.
jman83 Champion Author Chicago Posts:14,727 Points:1,530,910 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Oct 25, 2007 9:32:08 AM Ignore jman83 Report Abuse Stopped watching it after the first race of the chase. NASCAR has become quite boring to me of late.
Batchman Veteran Author Las Vegas Posts:267 Points:163,620 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Oct 24, 2007 11:13:42 AM Ignore Batchman Report Abuse gordon again unfortunatly
mckenzi01 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:35,741 Points:2,733,955 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Oct 24, 2007 6:38:31 AM Ignore mckenzi01 Report Abuse Try again next year Tony.
SE3.5 Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:17,029 Points:3,167,465 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Oct 22, 2007 8:33:58 AM Ignore SE3.5 Report Abuse And then there were two.