gasdudeIL
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2012 10:17:17 PM
Great arguments, but I am with the guy who promoted looking into the ones who conducted the "poll". It is safe to do a little research an make sure that the results are reputable.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2012 9:00:26 AM
tattoo666tx, this is a poll produced by the ethanol industry...
"The poll results come on the eve of the RFA’s inaugural Washington Legislative Forum being held tomorrow, April 18th, at the Newseum in Washington , DC where Attendees will hear from congressional and administration officials about legislative priorities outlined in the poll and the chances for any legislative action regarding these priorities in 2012. Following the meeting, RFA members will take to Capitol Hill to meet with dozens of lawmakers on issues important to America’s renewable fuel industry."
This is used to feed their propoganda and if you do a google search you can still find this poll used to spin their agenda...
Again, when you see a poll, see who sponsered it, regardless of what it's for...
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tattoo666TX
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Message Posted: Jun 26, 2012 1:28:51 AM
If we go electric it would take a week to travel 2 or 3 states.
LNG? No place to refill on the road.
Ethanol? Crappy fuel mileage.
Solar? No sun at night.
Where did they find that 75%???
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svtmicah
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Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 7:57:16 PM
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vangobrown
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Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 10:43:39 AM
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GM1954
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Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 9:15:56 AM
"I'd like to have the choice of cane-ethanol, corn-ethanol, or ethanol-free."
What difference do you think that would make?
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TheRavenHeart
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Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 8:36:54 AM
I'd like to have the choice of cane-ethanol, corn-ethanol, or ethanol-free.
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stickyvalves
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:17:57 PM
Iowa stations offer gasohol or nolead. Get your state to be reasonable also.
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CharlieC08
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:05:38 PM
Who cares what we want?
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us30ride
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 10:23:49 AM
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molebaby96
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 6:04:24 AM
Auto makers need to start building Natural Gas Vehicles.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:45:33 AM
GC. Finished the "Big Fix". It was top notch. I knew that oil companies has a lock on Congress, but the total amount of money spent on lobbing in oil states and Washington is out of control.
Is is no wonder that sooo many have come out against ethanol. A few million here and a few million more somewhere else and the brain washing is complete. Just look at the comments in here. Most people do not have a clue, they are only repeating what they hear.
Have you noticed the connection with big oil and big drug companies? Total domination. J.D. Rockefeller really laid the ground work and so far has succeeded in fooling a good part of America.
And the oil is still leaking in the Gulf! And the Dept. of Justice will not let any body near the disaster site. What a cover up! And what a scam! We are doomed!
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2012 8:56:37 AM
Banjoe, natural gas is awesome as long as the oil companies don't own it.
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Banjoe
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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2012 8:45:23 PM
I would like to test out a natural gas vehicle because it appears that we have a pretty good supply for the foreseeable future.
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2012 10:43:39 AM
Reb4 said..."Choice is a good thing..."
That's what I've been saying all along! Glad that we can finally agree on something!
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2012 8:13:36 AM
Some people in Central New York State are getting a choice... ethanol free fuel!
Choice is a good thing...
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kyarjen
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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2012 5:24:22 AM
I'd like to see more natural gas vechicles, not so powerfull but definetly chipper
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 10:29:31 AM
photobuddy, there's plenty of corn for both.
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photobuddy
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 9:52:10 AM
I would like the choice of leaving farming for food, not fuel.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 9:00:02 AM
Sure, GC is all about choice... as long as the choice contains ethanol that is..
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: Jun 10, 2012 7:31:23 PM
diesdown...maybe you haved failed to realize that you are on the "All Things Ethanol" site. And FYi...I'm a registered Republican. I am for having a choice at the pumps as are many of the pro ethanol posters on this site. Have you ever heard of "Freedom Of Speech" ? Perhaps you have stumbled onto the wrong site?
[Edited by: gamechanger2011 at 6/10/2012 7:32:21 PM EST]
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Jun 10, 2012 5:56:15 PM
diesdown, instead of acting like yet another big oil shill trying to eliminate the right of free speech, why don't you enlighten us with your vast ethanol experience?
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diesdown
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Message Posted: Jun 10, 2012 3:18:06 PM
Game.....take your demagoguery elsewhere.....
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 11:37:58 PM
Reb4 said....."Gamechanger2011, please, go out of town more often...very funny!
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 9:11:41 PM
Hanie59, glad to hear that ethanol is the only solution to go.. according to you... You live in a state and area that is able to choose e0, we don't have that choice...
It's unavailable here, unless you want to buy leaded fuel, then you can purchase e0 with lead... Nice epa protecting the people...
Gamechanger2011, please, go out of town more often...
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 10:51:58 AM
Reb4 said....."Gamechanger2011 chose to ignore me for a while, it was bliss.."
That is very funny Reb4.....I have been out of town and not posting for a couple of days!
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 10:50:59 AM
reb4, I have answered that question before regarding the vehicles I drive, but you have short term memory loss. So, I own the vehicles and run them on 30% to 40% alcohol in the tank at all times. When I am buying a new one, Hyundai won't be on that list unless they have an FFV sedan.
I got smart AFTER I bought these two. Fortunately, it's never to late to educate ones self!
And FYI, I used to buy your side's one liners and used to think ethanol was a boondoggle. Then I read and read and read only to learn that it is great for cars and our country to boot.
[Edited by: Hannie59 at 6/5/2012 10:59:16 AM EST]
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 10:36:55 AM
SILVERSTREAKER, Really, silverstreaker? It clearly asks a question.. again, please point out what you claim I am saying...
Hanie59, why do you go around posting with an avatar which represents a gm vehicle that is ffv and yet you drive hyundai vehicles?
I think it's good to stir up conversation about ethanol issue. I think it's good to hear multiple views of an issues and read multiple sides. You can choose to not read my posts.. Gamechanger2011 chose to ignore me for a while, it was bliss...
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 9:59:53 AM
Shockjock1961 wrote: "Yes Reb4.... You must conform to the wishes and mandates of the ethanol crew. The corn and ethanol lobby are all knowing and if you don't agree with that, then you must leave...."
We all know that both of you, Shockjock1961 and reb4, are only interested in whining about lack of the choices. What have you done to ensure you can use fuel you want?
On the other hand, Toyota Prius Owners Manual states that Toyota want you to use E10.
[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 6/5/2012 10:04:58 AM EST]
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 9:51:35 AM
"Yep, I think that you should move closer to a station that has E0, so that you can finally actually use the stuff. And maybe, you should get a new job, so that you can move and work closer to a station where you can actually have access to E0.
I mean this would show us ALL that you are truly committed! I would totally start respecting you for a TOTAL commitment to your beliefs!
Yep....I have solved ALL your issues now Reb4! It's time to move!"
Yes Reb4.... You must conform to the wishes and mandates of the ethanol crew. The corn and ethanol lobby are all knowing and if you don't agree with that, then you must leave....
What was that GC was claiming the he/she was all about choice? Seems like the only choice he/she is REALLY promoting and stands for is to either love it (ethanol) or just plain leave...
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 9:49:50 AM
Shockjock1961 wrote: "So was E10, but now try to find gasoline that isn't E10 around here..."
I can, so what is your point?
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 9:46:28 AM
"Also remember reb4, e-15 was pushed as a choice fuel"
So was E10, but now try to find gasoline that isn't E10 around here...
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 8:51:44 AM
reb, if you believe in choice then why are you pushing up old ethanol attack threads that are riddled with lies all the time? Do you believe in truth and facts? Do you believe in choices like do?
No reason all cars shouldn't be FFVs that are sold in this country and no reason E-0 shouldn't be available everywhere if you ask me.
When people try E-85 and don't lose 30% in MPG like the lies indicate, and can figure their own actual cost per mile, then the RFS will be met. Not by an escalating blend wall. And they will also realize that their engines are clean and running well not blowing up and leaking fuel like the other lies indicate.
Also remember reb4, e-15 was pushed as a choice fuel, not a mandate.
[Edited by: Hannie59 at 6/5/2012 8:58:49 AM EST]
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 8:34:00 AM
Americans what choice, not just ethanol... so lets talk about that, but evidently when they have the choice, they choose the oil based products...
Isn't that odd.
Maybe the ffv's should be filled up with e85 at the get go and a couple of coupons for e85 and people would start to use it...
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:51:44 PM
reb4 asks "go ahead and read my post, do I actually say I want e85 mandated for people that have ffv's?"
You started the topic ""E85 Sales to E85 / Flex Fuel vehicles - Why not mandate this? That says it pretty clearly. you have been competing with your buddy for head hypocrite. Are you now trying to write misleading statements like him?
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 11:40:06 PM
Thank you Reb4...I thought that it was very funny! :)
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 8:16:43 PM
gamechanger2011, you are hilarious.... I want a choice... I don't want it mandated ... And go ahead and read my post, do I actually say I want e85 mandated for people that have ffv's? Read carefully my little problem solver (ha, ha, ha)..
and the ethanol lobby and ethanol blend wall is closing the e0 options. See how that endears ethanol to the rest of the country...
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 6:06:57 PM
tattoo...how much are you paying for that?
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tattoo666TX
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 6:05:44 PM
I found a little coutry store that has 2 pumps and only sells 93 octane non-ethanol!!! My truck loves it and the wife's Cobalt loves it more!
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 5:48:53 PM
I've thought about it Reb4 and I think that I have a solution to your problem! I think that you should move. Yep, I think that you should move closer to a station that has E0, so that you can finally actually use the stuff. And maybe, you should get a new job, so that you can move and work closer to a station where you can actually have access to E0.
I mean this would show us ALL that you are truly committed! I would totally start respecting you for a TOTAL commitment to your beliefs!
Yep....I have solved ALL your issues now Reb4! It's time to move!
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 9:00:56 AM
yes indeed. And no indication of lead in the fuel, and strange octane ratings, and what I found very unique, is that there were at least two of these pumps at the location... I've contacted the epa on this and will look into contacting the city of chicago as well.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 8:22:07 AM
reb4, This pump looks very interesting indeed. I usually see racing fuel or E85. Some gas stations converted from racing fuel to E85. This one offers both.
The only 110 octane E0 unleaded fuel I know is Shell Racing Fuel URT Advanced but I have a feeling this gas station is not selling it.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2012 10:34:24 PM
looks like south dakota will start to lose there choice to use ethanol free fuel...
Again, there is a choice, but only if it's with ethanol, or unless it has lead in it.. which I am still not sure of since there was no labeling or notice on the pump...
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2012 10:13:12 PM
silverstreaker,
From your epa link....
"E85 & Conventional Vehicles
Consumers should never use E85 in a conventional, gasoline-only vehicle. This can lead to a range of problems, including not being able to start the engine, damage to engine components, illumination of the check engine light, and emissions increases."
with regards to the prius, not the best but a whole lot better than the suv and ford mini van you are polluting with...
But spin it all you want..
By the way, you posted a site that is for e85.. how much do you splash in your two vehicles?
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2012 10:08:30 PM
krzysiek_ck , no, currently I can not buy fuel for my car with no e0.
And if you check the pump, it really is quite unclear that it would be for a vehicle that does not have a catalytic coverter. This might be due to the fact that they have diesel, e85, and racing fuel at the same pump.
Check out the last three pictures on the pump at this station..
Note the octane rating... 85 for e85.
Note the diesel rating (it was the 3rd fuel option)...
Note the big corn on bottom...
Note the e85 price - 3.99
There is no warning at the center of what could be used.. or that I could damage my vehicle on fueling for any of the fuels offered...
But hey, spin it as you like..
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2012 8:31:18 PM
reb4, correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds to me like you are spinning your tune from "can't buy E0" to "won't buy E0". Also, if you are so interested in your emissions, you should put as much ethanol in your vehicles as you can. According to the US EPA:
"E85 can also provide important reductions in greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions.
EPA's stringent Tier II vehicle emission standards require that FFVs achieve the same low emissions level regardless of whether E85 or gasoline is used. However, E85 can further reduce emissions of certain pollutants as compared to conventional gasoline or lower volume ethanol blends. For example, E85 is less volatile than gasoline or low volume ethanol blends, which results in fewer evaporative emissions. Using E85 also reduces carbon monoxide emissions and provides significant reductions in emissions of many harmful toxics, including benzene, a known human carcinogen."
Now if you tell me that you don't care about your emissions, I guess that's just more of your spin.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2012 8:26:39 PM
reb4 wrote: "that's me... Pro Oil all the way... yep.."
I'm happy that you are finally admitting that you are only interested in spreading Big Oil Propaganda.
reb4 wrote: "spin all you want... just like you said I could buy e0 in Chicago area and yet told me not use it if I could not use lead..."
There is nothing to spin. I have said that it only should be used by people that have a clue. I guess your statement maybe correct since you don't have a clue.
Finally, I'm still looking to get the answer to this question - reb4 are you planning to continue whine about the lack of E0 in Chicago area knowing fairly well that Toyota wants you to use E10?
[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 6/3/2012 8:27:41 PM EST]
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2012 7:54:13 PM
"This little ignorant person is only interested in Big Oil Propaganda."
krzysiek_ck, that's me... Pro Oil all the way... yep.. I drive fuel efficient vehicles to be a sleeper to the big oil companies to infiltate youre little ethanol splashing parties and pep talk (rah rah rah)...
I drive around with a vehicle that gets over 50 MPG because i'm trying to increase the use of foreign oil... I commute instead of driving... and That's me....
That makes a whole lot of sense... spin all you want... just like you said I could buy e0 in Chicago area and yet told me not use it if I could not use lead... (lets see which is worse... co2 or lead... hmmmm...)
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chemist74
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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2012 3:06:27 PM
If car owners want more choice (cars capable of using multiple alternate fuels or stations carrying more fuel options) they need to be willing to pay for the increased cost involved. Everyone would want a plug-in hybrid if they did not cost more than a normal car.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2012 10:29:04 AM
silverstreaker, I only fill my lawnmower from a fuel container... I rarely drink (no alchol except rubbing) and possibly some cough medicine (i don't use.. cough cough)... But thanks for your comments...
And wow.. you were burning the midnight oil (or is that ethanol)..
"You can give me a choice of ethanol, methanol, butanol, biodiesel, CNG,or LP, but you can leave out the gasoline."
Gamechanger, until then, how much gasoline are you using in your ford?
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